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Post by dinokea on Aug 27, 2024 7:19:06 GMT 1
1896/97 Division 1 - Week 8
Walsall 2 - 0 Newton Heath
Sunderland Albion 2 - 0 Sheffield United
Middlesbrough Ironopolis 0 - 2 Aston Villa
West Bromwich Albion 2 - 0 Preston North End
Bootle 5 - 0 Woolwich Arsenal
Darwen 5 - 3 Birmingham St George's
The Wednesday 3 - 0 Blackburn Rovers
Crewe Alexandra 4 - 0 Derby County
| Team | Pts | W | D | L | GD | | 1st | Aston Villa
| 16 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 15:1 | | 2nd | Bootle | 14 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 15:2 | | 3rd | Derby County
| 12 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 9:6 | | 4th | Sheffield United
| 11 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 8:6 | | 5th | Crewe Alexandra
| 10 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 11:5 | | 6th | The Wednesday
| 10 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 14:9 | | 7th | Blackburn Rovers
| 10 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 8:10 | | 8th | Darwen | 8 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 15:11 | | 9th | West Bromwich Albion
| 7 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 11:12 | | 10th | Walsall | 5 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 9:11 | | 11th | Newton Heath
| 5 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 5:10 | | 12th | Birmingham St George's
| 5 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 9:18 | | 13th | Sunderland Albion
| 4 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 7:11 | | 14th | Preston North End
| 4 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 7:13 | | 15th | Woolwich Arsenal
| 4 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 2:14 | | 16th | Middlesbrough Ironopolis
| 3 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 2:8 |
This was a week. I genuinely am so confused as to how most of this happened. Also are Villa set to have the first invincible season?
- DinoKea
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Post by dinokea on Aug 27, 2024 8:44:13 GMT 1
1896/97 Division 2 - Week 8
Everton 1 - 0 Blackpool
Sunderland AFC 1 - 0 Burton Wanderers
Bolton Wanderers 3 - 1 Fairfield
Liverpool 2 - 0 Accrington
Wolverhampton Wanderers 0 - 0 Loughborough
Leicester Fosse 3 - 1 Grimsby Town
Nottingham Forest 0 - 1 Bury
Newcastle United 0 - 0 Burnley
| Team | Pts | W | D | L | GD | | 1st | Liverpool | 13 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 12:2 | | 2nd | Bury | 12 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 9:3
| | 3rd | Wolverhampton Wanderers
| 12 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 5:1 | | 4th | Newcastle United
| 11 | 3 | 5 | 0 | 7:3 | | 5th | Everton | 10 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 7:3 | | 6th | Accrington
| 9 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 5:6 | | 7th | Leicester Fosse
| 8 | 3
| 2 | 3 | 8:7 | | 8th | Grimsby Town
| 8 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 7:7 | | 9th | Loughborough | 8 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 7:7 | | 10th | Burnley | 7 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3:4 | | 11th | Burton Wanderers
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| 3 | 1 | 4 | 5:8 | | 12th | Sunderland AFC
| 6 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 7:10 | | 13th | Nottingham Forest
| 5 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 4:5 | | 14th | Fairfield | 5 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 7:11 | | 15th | Bolton Wanderers
| 4 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 6:15 | | 16th | Blackpool | 3 | 0
| 3 | 5 | 2:9 |
Man Wolves are boring this year, averaging less than a goal per game for both sides. Can't even be drawingest because of Newcastle
- DinoKea
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Post by rabbitman on Aug 27, 2024 10:33:14 GMT 1
So Division One does know you're allowed to do something called tackling right?
Shot stopping is kinda popular to, perhaps they should look into that?
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Post by dinokea on Aug 27, 2024 11:30:03 GMT 1
Quick look at the stats and I'm sure most of Div. 1 knows what defence is. 6/16 teams have scored 10+ goals, versus just 1 in D2. The teams with the least goals in their matches in Ironopolis (10 in 8), which equal to (or higher than), Wolves, Newcastle, Everton, Burnley & Forest. BSG are the biggest offenders with an average of 3.375 goals per game for fans in attendance.
Looking at it closer however shows that seeming, whether something in my methods of simulation or other factor causing this as in reality the league as a whole seems to be quite low scoring. West Ham last season for example averaged 3.53.
In summary, I believe a new more attacking strategy has clearly seeped into the top level of the game, with a clear improvement in offense. Whether Div. 2 sides will start adopting this tactic in the future remains to be seen, but Wolves certainly don't seem to be planning on it.
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Post by armandopayne94 on Aug 27, 2024 11:56:19 GMT 1
Yeah that week was weird as anything, like Walsall managed to win?
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Post by rabbitman on Aug 27, 2024 12:11:44 GMT 1
Sunderland AFC also beat their toughest opponent to date.
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Post by dinokea on Aug 28, 2024 2:53:55 GMT 1
1896/97 Division 1 - Week 9
Walsall 1 - 0 Sunderland Albion
Sheffiled United 2 - 0 Middlesbrough Ironopolis
Aston Villa 1 - 1 West Bromwich Albion
Preston North End 1 - 1 Bootle
Woolwich Arsenal 1 - 1 Darwen
Birmingham St George's 2 - 1 The Wednesday
Blackburn Rovers 2 - 1 Crewe Alexandra
Newton Heath 0 - 2 Derby County
| Team | Pts | W | D | L | GD | | 1st | Aston Villa
| 17 | 8
| 1 | 0 | 16:2 | | 2nd | Bootle | 15 | 7
| 1 | 1 | 16:3 | | 3rd | Derby County
| 14 | 6
| 2 | 1 | 11:6 | | 4th | Sheffield United
| 13 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 10:6 | | 5th | Blackburn Rovers
| 12 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 10:11 | | 6th | Crewe Alexandra
| 10 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 12:7 | | 7th | The Wednesday
| 10 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 15:11 | | 8th | Darwen | 9
| 3 | 3 | 3 | 16:12 | | 9th | West Bromwich Albion
| 8 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 12:13 | | 10th | Walsall | 7 | 3 | 1 | 5 | 10:11 | | 11th | Birmingham St George's
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| 3 | 1 | 5 | 11:19 | | 12th | Preston North End
| 5 | 2 | 1 | 6 | 8:14 | | 13th | Newton Heath
| 5 | 2 | 1 | 6 | 5:12 | | 14th | Woolwich Arsenal
| 5 | 2 | 1 | 6 | 3:15 | | 15th | Sunderland Albion
| 4 | 2 | 0 | 7 | 7:12 | | 16th | Middlesbrough Ironopolis
| 3 | 1 | 1 | 8 | 2:10 |
Bit more of a normal week as the table is starting to fall into place. Villa drop a point for the first time and sadly it look like West Brom won't be getting relegated this year
- DinoKea
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Post by dinokea on Aug 28, 2024 5:00:04 GMT 1
1896/97 Division 2 - Week 9
Everton 1 - 0 Sunderland AFC
Burton Wanderers 2 - 0 Bolton Wanderers Fairfield 1 - 2 Liverpool Accrington 0 - 1 Wolverhampton Wanderers
Loughborough 1 - 0 Leicester Fosse
Grimsby Town 1 - 2 Nottingham Forest
Bury 1 - 0 Newcastle United
Blackpool 0 - 1 Burnley
| Team | Pts | W | D | L | GD | | 1st | Liverpool | 15 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 14:3 | | 2nd | Bury | 14 | 6 | 2 | 1 | 10:3 | | 3rd | Wolverhampton Wanderers
| 14 | 5 | 4 | 0 | 6:1 | | 4th | Everton | 12 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 8:3 | | 5th | Newcastle United
| 11 | 3 | 5 | 1 | 7:4 | | 6th | Loughborough | 10 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 8:7 | | 7th | Burnley | 9 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4:4 | | 8th | Burton Wanderers
| 9 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 7:8 | | 9th | Accrington | 9 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 5:7 | | 10th | Leicester Fosse
| 8 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 8:8 | | 11th | Grimsby Town
| 8 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 8:9 | | 12th | Nottingham Forest
| 7 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 6:6 | | 13th | Sunderland AFC
| 6 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 7:11 | | 14th | Fairfield | 5 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 8:13 | | 15th | Bolton Wanderers
| 4 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 6:17 | | 16th | Blackpool | 3 | 0 | 3 | 6 | 2:10 |
Wolves are the last undefeated Div. 2 team, but are not currently in a position to get promotion. Blackpool are the only team in the whole Football League without a win.
- DinoKea
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Post by rabbitman on Aug 28, 2024 5:40:50 GMT 1
Blackpool, so rubbish that Bolton Wanderers laugh at their ineptness.
Also I can't accept that Sheffield United may be, at worst, average now. Please have them go on a losing streak Football Gods.
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Post by dinokea on Aug 28, 2024 7:22:08 GMT 1
So just going to jump in with one more quick post for today, talking about the end of season AGM voting.
In real life at the end of the 1898 vote, it was decided to expand the league to two division of 18 clubs. This however was not the only idea pitched forward, with 2 other ideas also being presented, both featuring a North/South split of the second division.
To allow people to vote on which of these new systems will be implemented into this sim without taking too much time between season, I'm going to move that particularly vote a season early, so at the end of this season there will also be a vote as to what the league structure should be for the foreseeable future.
The options will be as follows:
Option 1: 18-18. Both divisions are expanded by 2 teams, removing relegation from Division One and automatically promoting the top two sides from Division Two. The league election will still occur for the year featuring the bottom 3 from division 2 and a number of teams will apply for election, which will be voted on as per usual. Following this the last 4 sides will be added separately to the league in accordance with what I believe feels most accurate for the era (this will feature some clubs that did not apply for election)
Option 2: 18-12/12. We still expand the top flight by 2 clubs, removing relegation and promoting the top 2 from Division Two. There will be no re-election process as the bottom clubs will all automatically be re-elected (assuming financial stability). Instead I will select 6(?) clubs to automatically join the second Division, then provide lists to active commenters (currently rabbitman & armandopayne94) to select 1 additional team each. Teams not chosen from these lists will be put forward at the end of season AGM for everyone to vote on to select the final 4(?) teams. I'll then organise the the 24 teams into North & South divisions, which will each have 1 promotion spot and the bottom 2 sides facing re-election.
Option 3: 16-16/16. We do not expand the top flight and the pro-rel test matches still take place. However no teams will face re-election from Division Two, with all sides maintaining their status as Football League clubs (assuming financial stability). Instead I will select 8(?) clubs to automatically join the second division, then provide lists to active commenters (currently rabbitman & armandopayne94) to select 2 teams each from that will be elected. The teams not selected from these lists will be those put forward at the AGM voting which is open to everyone to vote on the final 4(?) teams. I'll then organise the the 24 teams into North & South divisions, which will each have 1 promotion spot and the bottom 2 sides facing re-election.
Numbers will vary in some of these cases based on the situation and this is kind of just a rough draft for how I'll organise things currently, although the 3 base options (18-18, 18-12/12, 16-16/16) are definite. The exact methods of everything is still being fleshed out but figured I'd put this out now to gather any feedback people had.
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