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Post by rabbitman on Aug 30, 2023 2:39:24 GMT 1
Putting aside my personal feelings on the Fiend as a wrestling character, this hurts because:
-of how much I loved Bayou Cult Leader Bray Wyatt.
-of how nice a guy he seemed to be.
-of how much it reminds me of my Dads passing.
Bray Wyatt and Daniel Bryan were pretty much the only guys that got me to check out WWE in the mid 10's, as I was so burnt out on wrestling and especially the WWE back then. I was so invested in Bray Wyatt then.
I think one of the problems with WWE has long been that they will make popular guys lose far too often, because the belief is that they're over enough to take it. Or if you get over unplanned, ala Zack Ryder, they'll job you out for a while and if you're still over, they'll then push you on their terms.
With Bray I feel they defintely fell into that first trap. "Gee the fans love Bray! Let's not have him win too many significant feuds and use that overness to elevate others! Bray's over enough to take it!" Is what I believe the WWE were thinking. Most of the variations or Bray Wyatt pre-Fiend could have been bigger than they were with commitment. I mean his first world title being transitional to get the belt on Orton, for that Wrestlemania pop? Orton, who had been champion numerous times before? Yeah Orton was still hella over and it's the way wrestling works, with the heel putting over the babyface and all that but Bray's first world title should have been won as far back as the previous Summerslam at least and he should have gone on an absolute tear for like 8 months to really build him up and then you can have the babyface go over and not give the belt to the heel a month before and have him lose at Mania for that Mania pop.
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Post by PT_29 on Jan 18, 2024 9:56:49 GMT 1
Royal Rumble 2024 dream card and picks as at January 18,2024.
Singles Match: Non title: Winner draws number 27 in the Rumble match:
Akira Tozawa vs Gunther
My pick: Akira Tozawa
Singles match: US title: Logan Paul vs Kevin Owens
My pick: Kevin Owens to win the Championship
Undisputed WWE Universal Championship: Fatal 4 way: Roman Reigns (c) w/ Paul Heyman vs AJ Styles vs LA Knight vs Randy Orton
My pick: Roman Reigns
Mens Royal Rumble Match:
My pick: The Rock
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Post by rabbitman on May 21, 2024 7:22:54 GMT 1
Watching a retrospective on Rey Mysterio and the memories come flooding back as to how badly they handled his journey to the world title and his run as champion.
-He loses his Wrestlemania shot. Yes Orton was being a dastardly heel but he lost 1v1 and we're told the referee's decision is final and all that. So some might feel the babyface no longer deserves to be at Wrestlemania.
-He taps out, during the title match. He's a babyface visibly tapping out, during a match but he goes on to win the world title. Maybe I'm being too harsh with my first point but in no way should a babyface underdog tap out, in a title match and then win a title.
-So now the babyface underdog, who lost his title shot and tapped out in the title match (and unfortunately botched a 619 during said title match) is booked poorly as champion and among the worst examples is getting squashed by the talentless lump that is Khali. You never put an underdog, undersized babyface champion, that some fans are already questioning the legitimacy of, in the ring against someone that big, period!
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Post by rabbitman on Jun 6, 2024 12:21:36 GMT 1
Watching WWF stuff, around 1996 and certain things puzzle me that Vince did.
You pushed Randy Savage out the door, coz it's the 'New Generation" but you re-sign the Ultimate Warrior? Warrior was notoriously unreliable and only 5 years younger than Savage.
If you were prepared to push a 37 year old Warrior who is firmly associated with the previous era, why didn't you keep Randy Savage around as well and keep him in the ring and have him put over Bret and Shawn? He was more than willing to do it to and that would have helped set the both of them up, to carry the company more.
Then he'd still have value as an upper midcard guy, who guys like Austin and Triple H would have gone through on their way to the top. Plus whenever you needed a champion to fill in time between big PPV's, you could make Randy Savage the no 1 contender and they'd have a short program and nobody would complain because it was a beloved legend getting a title shot.
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Post by Asaemon on Jun 6, 2024 15:45:44 GMT 1
Watching WWF stuff, around 1996 and certain things puzzle me that Vince did. You pushed Randy Savage out the door, coz it's the 'New Generation" but you re-sign the Ultimate Warrior? Warrior was notoriously unreliable and only 5 years younger than Savage. If you were prepared to push a 37 year old Warrior who is firmly associated with the previous era, why didn't you keep Randy Savage around as well and keep him in the ring and have him put over Bret and Shawn? He was more than willing to do it to and that would have helped set the both of them up, to carry the company more. Then he'd still have value as an upper midcard guy, who guys like Austin and Triple H would have gone through on their way to the top. Plus whenever you needed a champion to fill in time between big PPV's, you could make Randy Savage the no 1 contender and they'd have a short program and nobody would complain because it was a beloved legend getting a title shot. Don't forget about youngsters like Bob Backlund, Who, Roddy Piper, Jimmy Snuka or 1995 New Generation King Kong Bundy, Ricky Santana and Dick Murdoch. |
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Post by rabbitman on Jun 6, 2024 16:15:45 GMT 1
Yeah you're getting "NEW GENERATION" constantly shouted in your ears and shoved down your throat but it's inconsistent and it feels like they cast aside some of the wrong guys.
Savage kinda needed a change of scenery but that's at least partially down to his booking from about some point in '93 to when he left.
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Post by marc91 on Jun 6, 2024 22:42:43 GMT 1
Watching WWF stuff, around 1996 and certain things puzzle me that Vince did. You pushed Randy Savage out the door, coz it's the 'New Generation" but you re-sign the Ultimate Warrior? Warrior was notoriously unreliable and only 5 years younger than Savage. If you were prepared to push a 37 year old Warrior who is firmly associated with the previous era, why didn't you keep Randy Savage around as well and keep him in the ring and have him put over Bret and Shawn? He was more than willing to do it to and that would have helped set the both of them up, to carry the company more. Then he'd still have value as an upper midcard guy, who guys like Austin and Triple H would have gone through on their way to the top. Plus whenever you needed a champion to fill in time between big PPV's, you could make Randy Savage the no 1 contender and they'd have a short program and nobody would complain because it was a beloved legend getting a title shot. Vince probably never saw WCW as true competition until Nitro went head to head with Raw, so he didn't even care in 1994. But by 'Mania 12 things were different. Plus Vince's fetish for bodybuilders surely helped Warrior (he also tried to bring him in after the Screwjob and offered him an insane amount of money, for a company that literally just told Bret Hart they couldn't pay him) |
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Post by rabbitman on Jun 7, 2024 10:54:52 GMT 1
Part of me wonders what it would be like to start a WWF '96 diary with the idea that the Warrior stays and you have to book him strongly.
Ideally you'd keep him away from titles and just give him marquee matches and use the titles to elevate who they elevated irl.
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Post by Asaemon on Jun 12, 2024 19:31:36 GMT 1
Part of me wonders what it would be like to start a WWF '96 diary with the idea that the Warrior stays and you have to book him strongly. Ideally you'd keep him away from titles and just give him marquee matches and use the titles to elevate who they elevated irl. That would be a interesting project to rebook. |
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Post by rabbitman on Jun 13, 2024 15:23:09 GMT 1
Talking about that mid 90's period, got me thinking that a guilty pleasure of mine was the comeback of Tatanka in the mid 00's.
Also other comebacks, around that time, like Jim Duggan and Road Warrior Animal.
I'm a sucker for a wrestling comeback story, no matter how limited the wrestlers might be.
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