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Post by Moore on Aug 12, 2024 16:07:26 GMT 1
Both Stetson and Hotbody are mainly remembered as heels in Eastern, so I can only assume having The Pitbulls beat them would get sympathy for Wolfe and Durante. Anyway, I want them to turn face soon, so...
My guess backfired. But yeah, Malenko has Triple Threat, so he doesn't need the TV Title. That's good for Douglas.
Heel Simmons = better Simmons.
I'll assume Sabu's towel will be the one Taz is using soon when he drops the "-maniac" suffix. The Public Enemy vs. Malenko & Benoit can be an interesting clash without another team involved. Classic punch-throwing hosses vs. technical ring generals story.
I assume the next four matches of the Rotten "bros."' best of 5 series will be crazy stipulations. No one should have to suffer through watching 5 non-gimmicky Ian matches.
You fooled me. I really thought you'd put your own twist on the Raven/Dreamer backstory. I'm ok with that though since, yeah, it really worked and was so groundbreaking.
I thought Simmons would be the one to cause 911 to lose to Jason. It didn't happen and Simmons doesn't come out looking as tough as I thought he would.
Great main event with a lot of different synergies, which is something I'm a great fan of. When I read "Woman throws a cane", I thought Douglas would be the one to catch it. I was mistaken, but I think you'll really give us the juice about Douglas/Woman's situation on the next show. Two great matches are now set up for the future, which is a great thing. This was, probably, your best show yet in what comes to building things.
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Post by marc91 on Aug 12, 2024 18:08:13 GMT 1
Thank you so much!
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Post by marc91 on Aug 15, 2024 10:36:37 GMT 1
ECW Extreme Warfare 08.04.1995 Philadelphia, PA
ANGLE: Paul E. gets in the ring, with 911 and Tazmaniac, who is now dressed in sports clothing (both Paul E. and Joey Styles call him "Taz"). Paul E. says that tonight he wanted Sabu and Taz to finally sort their differences, Taz is here because he's a man and takes his share of the blame in losing the World Tag Team Titles. But Sabu? He walked out! He walked out on Paul E., on Taz, on 911, on ECW and on the fans! All because New Japan was offering him more money! The fans boo and Paul E. says that Taz will be his primary focus now, he will make sure that the world sees his true value. Taz speaks for the first time, his only words are "f*** Sabu". This segment is mostly what the actually did, with 3 key differences to make it a better deal: 1) Tazmaniac become Taz tonight (so the timing is suspect, why now?); 2) Sabu is not fired by Paul E. and suspended by Tod Gordon, but we make clear that ECW doesn't welcome him now; 3) Sabu also leaves because of money (does the consistency with the 1997 invasion ring a bell?!)
1. Best Of Series #2 Strap Match: Axl Rotten def. Ian Rotten (7 mins) In this case, strap match means that a strap keeps them tight from their wrists and that can beat the hell out of each other with it, no need to touch the four corners this time. This is short, to get the best bumps out of them without going too lonf. Ian tries to choke Axl over the top rope, but Axl hits him with the strap in the head and pins him after a series of lashes. It's 1-1
2. The Pitbulls def. Don E. Allen & Dino Sendoff (2 mins) Another squash for the Pitbulls, who are still undefeated in 1995 and ever more driven tonight, it seems. Jason is not with them after being killed by 911 at the previous show, so Joey Styles wants to interview them after the match. #2 pins Sendoff after the superbomb
ANGLE: Joey Styles asks the Pitbulls what they're going to do without Jason, but the Pitbulls have a better master now... Raven! Raven and Stevie Richards come down and Raven cuts a promo about how the Pitbulls are misfits just like him and he's happily taking them to the top, as they finally have a World Tag Team Titles shot at the next show! Raven also says that, with the Pitbulls watching his back, he will finally get rid of the big bad bully Tommy Dreamer
3. Raven (w/ Stevie Richards and The Pitbulls) def. Tommy Dreamer (8 mins) Finally, Raven and Dreamer have their first 1 on 1 match. Raven has an easier life as his group helps him (so, who's the bully now?!). They immediately brawl and use weapons, to set the high tones of a grudge match. While they fight, a stunning woman comes out... and waves at Dreamer with a grin. Dreamer looks like he has seen a ghost, but Raven hits him low and hits the evenflow to win in a very dirty way. Who's the woman, baw gawd? (you all know it, lol)
4. ECW World Television Title: Eddie Guerrero def. Too Cold Scorpio (c) (15 mins) So yeah, Eddie makes his debut here and hindsight tells us that he had a great little stint here, so him winning the TV title straight away was not a bad decision at all. Scorpio is a good champion and Joey Styles talks about him also beating Eddie's brother Hector at a previous show, but Eddie is unpredictable and puts on a good match. Eddie stops the 450 splash with his knees and uses an inside cradle to win the title!
ANGLE: Just like in real life, Scorpio is upset and yells at the referee that it was a 2 count, but then calms down offers Eddie both the belt and a handshake
5. #1 Contender Branding Iron Match: Cactus Jack def. Terry Funk (12 mins) So, the rules are that the winner is the one that actually uses the branding iron on the opponent and marks him with fire. Less is more at times, the winner is the one that uses it, rather than do too much here. Them brawling is a good spectacle regardless. Towards the end, Cactus fights from underneath and holds the iron while trying a cactus elbow on Funk. They play tug of war, but finally Cactus piledrives Funk on the iron and burns parts of Funk's face, winning the match
ANGLE: Instead of celebrating or using the iron again, Cactus looks down at Funk. Joey Styles says that Funk accused Cactus of not being hardcore, but he clearly is! Funk gets up slowly, in pain, and the two stare while the crowd chants for them to hug it out. Before they can, though, Sandman attacks Cactus with the Singapore cane from behind! Sandman wants to hit him again, but Funk stops him and tells him to fight him! Sandman doesn't mind, but Woman pulls Sandman away and reminds him he's got a World Title match later on... so Sandman smartly leaves
6. Ron Simmons def. Mikey Whipwreck (5 mins) As Simmons has just turned heel, this is a typical bully vs underdog match. They had decent little match around this time too. Of course, the fans are all on Mikey's side. Mikey proves his progress by managing to create some offense against Simmons, but at the end his opponent uses the referee as a shield and wins with a powerslam
ANGLE: Simmons again insults the fans and also Mikey. 911 comes down and Paul E. dares Simmons to finally accept 911's challenge for the next Arena show. Simmons accepts, but refuses to have a physical confrontation now
7. ECW World Heavyweight Title: Shane Douglas (c) def. The Sandman (w/ Woman) (10 mins) Joey Styles notices that Woman is still observing Douglas with a strange gaze, Douglas just smirks about it. Sandman seems confused, but this only makes him more violent. Woman keeps the cane to herself this time and just watches the match at ringside. Sandman asks for the cane at one point and she hesitates, but then does what he asked. He turns around late, after yelling at her, and Douglas hits a quick belly to belly to retain. Woman looks half guilty, half impressed
ANGLE: Terry Funk comes down and attacks Sandman, getting revenge for the early cane shot! Douglas goes away, but Woman begs him to help Sandman and Douglas, after considering it, accepts it and goes back to the ring. Styles wonders why the hell he would listen to Woman and put himself in danger. Douglas and Sandman manages to fight Funk off. An angry Sandman takes the cane back to attack Douglas now, whose smile falters and he swears he was just helping... but now Cactus Jack pops down and Sandman retreats quickly! Funk is back in the ring too and now Cactus begs him not to attack Shane, he's his friend. Funk doesn't appreciate this and repeats that Cactus is not hardcore enough, so he leaves the ring and chases Sandman on the stage. Cactus turns around... and Douglas hits him with the title belt! Douglas laugh and tells Cactus that their friendship doesn't exist when he's a World Title challenger!
8. ECW World Tag Team Titles Philly Street Fight: The Public Enemy def. Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko (c) (11 mins) Joey Styles notices how the Triple Threat doesn't seem that united anymore, as Shane Douglas is minding his own business and leaving his allies to their own devices (they didn't seem to approve his stares with Woman at the other show). This is the blowoff of the 3 teams feud and a last chance for the Enemies, who are now full babyfaces and get full crowd support. Rock pins Benoit after the drive by and the Arena celebrates with the Enemies, new tag champions |
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Post by Moore on Aug 15, 2024 13:30:55 GMT 1
I'll give my honest opinion about the real Sabu/Heyman situation: probably Heyman already knew that Sabu was leaving and he clearly wanted to paint the picture in which he's portrayed better to the fans. I really don't think that Heyman's a saint in the whole story, and while I believe Sabu wasn't right for giving his word to Paul E. and still leaving ECW (at least, he never disputed that claim...), we also know about Heyman's history of financial schemed that did more harm than good for the wrestlers - some of them working for exposure only. Still... he never badmouthed Malenko, Benoit, Eddie, Douglas, Sandman, Raven, The Dudleys, etc. for leaving for greener pastures, so... probably a "no one is right" type of situation.
Your little tweaks on the angle were good.
I thought you'd pull out something different than Pitbulls joining Raven, but it does make sense and it can lead to a nice face turn like it did irl, so I can't blame you.
Yeah, we all know who's the woman that cost Dreamer the match: Angel The Virgin Princess, of course. I wonder if you'll keep the "Raven never loses to Dreamer" story.
Eddie, Scorpio, Malenko, Benoit, Mikey... the ECW TV Title was the best division in America back in 1995. And you can change the belt at will between some of them, tbh. No one would oppose.
The feud between Cactus and Funk was short but good and Funk stepping up to save Cactus proves that it really ended. So, Douglas retained, though, and Cactus, his friend, is the next challenger. Well... he was his friend. You can have some tag matches to build this and pairing Douglas and Sandman can also lead to a tighter relationship between Woman and Douglas. We'll see how that goes.
911 is done at the next show.
Benoit and Malenko are really moving to the dream division, it seems!
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I'm now realizing that you're not really changing too many things in this time period, and that's probably because of one thing: your compromise to keep the same wrestlers from real life in there. And I mean... 1995's ECW was a very deep spectrum: you had the best in-ring wrestling in USA, the best stories in USA... and you also had some of the worst. Changing the pieces' place on the chess table would do more harm than good.
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Post by marc91 on Aug 15, 2024 15:20:02 GMT 1
1995 might be my favourite ECW year, to be fair. I am not saying it's the best, but it's the one I enjoyed more. I am not changing too much, so far
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Post by Moore on Aug 15, 2024 15:57:02 GMT 1
1995 might be my favourite ECW year, to be fair. I am not saying it's the best, but it's the one I enjoyed more. I am not changing too much, so far
Haha, of course it's Angel! I can't really choose a favorite year of mine, but it's probably between 1997, 1998 and 1999. Even though I really feel that 1995 is ECW's best year in terms of booking. It's the pinnacle of the "highlight the positives, hide the negatives" mentality. |
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Post by marc91 on Aug 19, 2024 18:27:35 GMT 1
ECW Hostile City Showdown 15.04.1995 Philadelphia, PA
1. Taz (w/ 911 and Paul E. Dangerously) def. Chad Austin (3 mins) This is a quick showcase for the new Taz, whose appearance is now not a savage anymore, but the regular Taz we all know. Joey Styles mentions he was "forced" to act like a savage so far, but doesn't expand on why (we will find out later). Taz works as a babyface, dominates and wins the match easily with a fisherman suplex
2. ECW World Tag Team Titles: The Public Enemy (c) def. The Pitbulls (w/ Stevie Richards) (8 mins) Richards is in the Pitbulls' corner, as they want to win the titles, now that they're in Raven's group. The Enemies just won the belts back and by now are one of the most popular acts of the roster. This is a hard fought match, as the Pitbulls haven't lost a match in 6 months or so, but Rock retains with a lucky roll up on #2
ANGLE: The Pitbulls are furious, as they claim it was a 2 count (remember this). Raven comes down and throws 2 dog collars in the ring, so the Pitbulls start attacking the Enemies with the help of Raven and Richards, until the Enemies bleed
3. Best of Five Series #3 Chairs Match: Ian Rotten def. Axl Rotten (7 mins) It's the third match of the series, this time a chairs match as a lot of them are piled in the ring and the Rottens use them for a lot of spots. They do their thing for a while, until Ian splashes Axl from the top, falling on a pile of chairs, getting the 2-1 victory
4. ECW World Television Title: Eddie Guerrero (c) draws Dean Malenko by TL (30 mins) Eddie just won the title and, while Scorpio is away, Malenko gets a TV Title match. I mean, this series was quite legendary and helped put ECW on the map (and their careers too), so of course I will feature these great matches on my events. Eddie and Dean put on a great bout here and they go to a 30 minutes time limit (which by the way is the limit for all ECW matches)
ANGLE: Eddie and Malenko have some tension, Malenko wants a rematch down the road and Eddie seems okay with it
5. 911 (w/ Paul E. Dangerously) def. Ron Simmons (5 mins) The blowoff. Simmons is finishing up with ECW and 911 will be with us for more time, so the result is obvious here. Simmons gets some heat, argues with the fans and dictates the pace (because 911 can't), but finally 911 grabs him. Simmons uses the referee as a shield, but 911 moves him (remember this) and chokeslams his opponent to win
6. Singapore Cane Match: The Sandman (w/ Woman) def. Terry Funk (10 mins) Funk and Sandman's alliance didn't last long at all, in fact it was made clear that, rather than liking each other, they were on the same side as Sandman is feuding with Cactus and Funk doesn't really appreciate what his student has become. Funk did put Sandman over for being hardcore and a little job, albeit dirty, would do wonders for Sandman (Funk is going away for 6 months anyway). Woman trips Funk and Sandman hits him with the cane repeatedly until he can pin him (Joey Styles mentions that both Cactus and Douglas are focusing on their match and not interfering)
7. Mikey Whipwreck & Tommy Dreamer def. Raven & Stevie Richards (w/ Beulah) (11 mins) This is another chapter of the Raven/Dreamer feud, of course. After the shock of Beulah's appearance at the last show, it is explained that she used to love Tommy at Summer Camp, but he always rejected her because she was fat etc., pretty much the same story. So now she joins Raven, the outcast kid that was not mean to her. This starts as a handicap match, as Dreamer doesn't even bother getting a partner and wants to destroy them by himself. While he does well, he succumbs to the numbers game until Mikey comes out and stands on the apron (typical ECW style). Mikey gets the tag and pins Richards with the frankenmikey. While Raven and Dreamer brawl, Richards moans about Mikey not even being in the match (remember this)
8 ECW World Heavyweight Title: Cactus Jack def. Shane Douglas (c) (13 mins) I can't really do week to week booking due to the nature of the shows (and time), but ECW really dropped the ball in hyping this match, as the two all of a sudden were friends for 10 years and it was never properly explained; so I'd invest more on that with interviews. On the other hand, there's still the Woman deal: she comes at ringside again, just to watch. Sandman is behind her with his cane, pacing nervously, but she tells him not to spoil the match. Douglas hits the belly to belly! 1... 2... 3! No, Cactus had a foot on the top and referee corrects himself! (remember this). Douglas is furious and demands the referee to declare him the winner, but he won't. Cactus is allowed to make his comeback, winning the match with a piledriver on the World Title!
ANGLE: Douglas is still furious at the referee and yells that he quits, he's done with this crap! Woman, disappointed, stands up and leaves. Sandman hesitates, then goes in the ring and attacks Cactus, but Dreamer and Mikey make the save! Dreamer and Mikey celebrate with Cactus, while Funk looks from the stage and still doesn't seen happy about his student, but he leaves while Cactus parades with the title |
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Post by Moore on Aug 19, 2024 20:52:21 GMT 1
Taz "debuts" with a dominant performance. You didn't change much from the original tag team title match. Public Enemy vs. The Pitbulls will probably be a cool feud from now on.
Sure, Eddie vs. Malenko needs a rematch and it will be cool. There are some other great challengers for Guerrero, so I think the rematch won't be that soon.
911 beating Ron Simmons = huge. You didn't even book Simmons that strongly, which kinda shocks me.
Funk putting over Sandman was nice.
Mikey joining mid-match is insane, but yeah, nothing new from ECW. It makes sense to build the feud between Raven and Tommy with some tag matches here and then, so I'm happy with your choices.
Alright! There's a thing ECW hasn't done but you did: making Cactus a World Champion. It may feel a bit rushed, but we may have some backstory being told next. I'm sure Douglas will reg... oh, wait, he's becoming the Dean... ugh.
Sandman is next in line, obviously.
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Post by marc91 on Aug 20, 2024 12:57:18 GMT 1
We spoke about ECW's great booking in '95, but I wasn't a fan of the Douglas/Sandman switch
Woman costing Sandman a match to gain his trust and then screwing Douglas kind of makes sense, but why can't she help Sandman straight away if she's this decisive? How could she know Sandman was going to get another shot straight away?
Cactus is staying another year, so in hindsight why not put the belt on him for a bit?
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Post by marc91 on Aug 22, 2024 21:20:52 GMT 1
ECW Enter Sandman 13.05.1995 Philadelphia, PA
ANGLE: The show starts with an angle, which is quite rare on my ECW watch. Shane Douglas confirms that he quit ECW at the last show, giving a 90 days notice, and he will go where he will be appreciated etc. and not screwed by referees and hardcore crap. Tod Gordon says he doesn't like the Franchise personally, but he values him and helped create ECW, so asks him to stay. Douglas says he will consider it if all of his matches are officiated by a true referee: enter Bill Alfonso, who cuts a promo on being a referee from real wrestling companies. At the last show, there were 4 different matches ending on a bad referee call, so he's here to make sure that wrestling rules are followed. Gordon doesn't like this, but agrees to let Alfonso officiate some matches, as long as Douglas stays put
1. Dean Malenko def. Marty Jannetty (8 mins) Bill Alfonso referees this match. The point is that, as a first approach, he does nothing wrong because it's a clean match, even a good one, with two wrestlers that won't bend any rule thanks to their "conventional" styles. Malenko wins with a victory roll, in quick fashion
2. ECW World Tag Team Titles Double Dog Collar Match Match: The Public Enemy (c) def. The Pitbulls (w/ Stevie Richards) (11 mins) This is the rematch from the previous show, as on that occasion the Enemies managed to barely retain. Now, the bout is wrestled under the Pitbulls' speciality match and this causes a big problem to the Enemies. However, the Enemies retain when Grunge pins #2 after a splash from the top after a wrong Richards interference
ANGLE: Richards is disappointed and yells at the Pitbulls, who are angry and look at him menacingly. However, Raven arrives and the Pitbulls don't do anything, just return to the locker room with their heads down
3. Hack Myers def. Tony Stetson (4 mins) Keeping this on the card. Myers was over, even as a lowcarder. This is short as it won't be any good to be fair. Myers wins with a lariat in an easy way
4. ECW World Television Title: Eddie Guerrero (c) draws Chris Benoit by TL (30 mins) After the last show, Eddie and Dean wrestled again at a B event and another 30 minutes draw happened. This time, it's Benoit to get a title shot and it's a shame that we never got this match in ECW. Malenko watches, he's technically still Benoit's partner but the Triple Threat has pretty much dissolved due to Douglas' selfish quests. Eddie and Benoit wrestle to the limit to and the ring bells right after a diving headbutt from Benoit
ANGLE: Benoit is upset about this and wants to attack Eddie, but Makenko stops him and convinces Benoit to return backstage, saying that Eddie deserves some respect
5. Raven & Stevie Richards (w/ Beulah) def. Tommy Dreamer & 911 (w/ Paul E. Dangerously) by DQ (9 mins) Bill Alfonso referees this match. The Raven and Dreamer feud continues and this time Dreamer has the mighty 911 as his partner. Alfonso referees the match normally, despite being quite annoying, but he keeps on getting too involved in the right. He yells at 911 not to chokeslams Richards, as the chokeslam is banned! Then, when Dreamer gets a tag and finally kills Raven with punches, Fonzie calls a DQ for Dreamer not answering a 5 count. This did happen and it pissed people off, I know, but it's needed
ANGLE: Fonzie returns backstage, while Paul E. has to stop 911 from attacking him. Dreamer manages to knock out both Richards and Raven with a chair, but Beulah slaps him! Dreamer hesitates, as he's not sure if he wants to hit her, but Luna Vachon arrives and powerbombs Beulah! (I think this chronologically needs to happen before Dreamer finally puts his hands on Beulah)
6. Dual Baseball Bat Match: Axl Rotten def. Ian Rotten (7 mins) Match four of the best of five series. This is their signature match, despite not being the final one of the feud. They have their usual fight and Axl pins Ian after hitting him hard with the bat. It's 2-2 now
7. Taz (w/ Paul E. Dangerously) def. Too Cold Scorpio (10 mins) It's the first tough challenge for the new Taz, but Scorpio recently lost the TV title and wants to get some momentum back. Scorpio kind of makes fun of Taz's previous persona, in a funny way, even though this will get a bit harsher in the future. Scorpio messes around a bit instead of going for the pinfall and Taz locks in an armbreaker from nowhere, forcing him to tap out
8. The Sandman & Shane Douglas (w/ Woman) def. Mikey Whipwreck & Cactus Jack (12 mins) Bill Alfonso is the referee. Douglas and Sandman try to get along, as Woman is still keeping her eyes on Douglas. Cactus is the new champion, but deeply involved in his feud with Sandman and now also having his former friend Douglas as an enemy. Mikey backs up his buddy as always, amusing Woman who belittles him. Fonzie by now has a lot of heat with the crowd and it continues here, as he keeps sticking to the rules in a way that doesn't really suit ECW and its fans. Mikey hot tags Cactus, but Fonzie "doesn't see it" and so he gets Cactus out of the ring, which infuriates the crowd and so Sandman pins Mikey with a cane shot (that Fonzie didn't actually see)
ANGLE: Douglas seems quite jealous about not getting the pinfall himself and yells at Sandman and Woman to drop the hardcore crap. Sandman and Woman refuse, as Woman doesn't like Douglas' ways, he's changing and getting uncontrollable, maybe even for her (this ends their tease without any babyface pop for either). Douglas walks off. Woman tells Sandman to cane Mikey again, but Cactus saves Mikey to close the show |
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